And so this is Christmas...
Hope all of you are looking forward to a better New Year
(Insert additional platitudes here)
Hey, if we satanic demonic hateful fuckwad liberals are at war with it, we're not very good at war. It's eating the calendar alive.
Another year of Fox News Libel against us, another year of right-wing Christians convinced that we're the evil ones, all while they're doing all the hating.
Another year of Obamaphobia on the right.
HE'S STILL BLACK!!!
Yes, the gift of Christianity is self-righteousness and Pride. How nice.
Hey, whatever... we will all go back to our lives, secure in the knowledge that a sub-culture of shallow idiots will still hate us with all their hearts and souls for the crime of not wanting the whole world to stay the same forever.
On the right the leaders will continue to fill the minds of the shallow with hatred and fear, because without that it all would crumble and they might realize that we're just fucking human beings, too.
Can't have that, now can we?
Oh well... have a happy!
To my Christian brethren out there, be careful what you wish for. After all, without us to hate you might realize that you've been played for fools by desperate, evil men who only seek power over you to get your vote and your money.
I'd love to see you realize that. That would be so sweet. The expression on your faces would be priceless.
Ahh, I can dream, can't I?
Mike, check this out... I ran across it on Twitter today.
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/3rdEyeSociety_/status/416314968619769856/photo/1
Hey I'm sure Fox is not the only news outlet who is distorting the truth as it were.
DeleteBrian have you seen the pics of people born with tails?
ReplyDeleteThe Bible said God made man in His own image... What about people who have tails. Who's image we're they made in?
ReplyDeleteWould a person with a tail be considered deformed?
ReplyDeleteIt's an evolutionary atavism. We used to have them, or rather our small furry ancestor primates did.
DeleteOf course you don't believe in evolution. Not a problem, it doesn't depend on your belief to be true.
Interestingly enough, Mike, all mammals have tails at some point in their development.
ReplyDeleteHumans have a vestigial tail (which means, it has lost its "traditional" uses. Human embryos have a tail that consists of about 15% of their overall size. As the embryo developers into a fetus, the tail is absorbed into the body.
Hey Mac it's good to hear from you again. The tail thing is interesting enough for sure. Have you started back in TKD yet? I've been doing Tae Kwon Do for seven years now and in February I will be testing for my second Dan.
DeleteHey, Mike!
DeleteNo, I've gotten fat and lazy, no TKD for me ;-) Congratulations on your black belt and good luck on that second dan!
The single life was wearing me down (you know, so many beautiful single ladies out there?). So, I found me a sweet, heathen, science educator and married her.
Mike had a tail in the womb. LOL
ReplyDeleteIt was once said only a coward writes a letter and won't sign his name to it. Do you have a name? Lets try Ryan Anderson
DeleteMike, we all had tails in the womb, so that wasn't much of an insult.
DeleteSounds kinda gnostic.
ReplyDeleteThat darned Ialdabaoth.
Satan didn't need to deceive the world, Val. Believers are gullible and generally fairly unsophisticated people by choice, practically asking to be deceived. Unsavory con artist types dressed as pastors and politicians and "news" anchors use them to gain power. It's what they were designed for. Religion makes fools of men. Emperor Constantine was a politician, and the founder of Christianity as we know it. He didn't even convert to it himself until his death bed. His biographer Eusebius even is *on record* saying that it's okay to lie as long as it benefits the faith.
ReplyDeleteAdd it all up, and you get "no devil required." We are the devil. Humans are, at any rate.
Hey, if you gather together ten million suckers it's a lot to expect that nobody will fleece them or use them.
Val, your understanding of scripture is in need of wisdom so you can rightly divide the truth. You're just a tad mixed up!
ReplyDeleteI do love it when one believer in falsehood tells another one how best to believe in said falsehood.
ReplyDelete(Although I'm not sure about Val; he seems to at least get some of the point about how believers are misled)
Val, your understanding of scripture is in need of wisdom
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What's your idea of wisdom? Because I'm not seeing it. Sorry if that offends, but I call it like I see it. In fact, to me, you seem to be a very gullible man.
Is it wisdom to accept what falls from the mouths of others like re-masticated food from a mother bird's beak? And never try to investigate it with a critical eye at any time?
ReplyDeleteThat my friend is the very opposite of wisdom.
Hey Brian! Keep posting. The world is a more boring place without you scribbling on its wall.
ReplyDeleteAww.... thank you Tim. I really appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteBrian:
ReplyDeleteIt seems that you (this blog) have undergone a resurrection. It must be that in your heart you still are really a believer or God would never have let this happen! Thanks be to Her, Amen!
Gullibile, I could be about certain things. But what about you Brian? From where I sit you are very self absorbed and quite over barren. But hey I'm not mad at ya. Lol
ReplyDeleteI had patience with you, but that was before I realized that I could explain something to you and it would hit this mind shield and bounce off, and any little bit that might get through would be flushed out at your weekly knowledge-purge meeting.
DeleteYou seem to be proud of being ignorant. Not a good thing. Not good at all. But that's how they teach you to be in your religion, I guess.
Your religion blocks all knowledge from getting in. And it's like a fucking vicious pit bull keeping guard just in case even a smidgeon gets in. Your mind rejects knowledge of the world like a body rejects an organ that is the wrong tissue type. It's like talking to someone who belongs to a cult, which is basically what it really is I suppose. You're like "fuck you knowledge, I will always just pull shit out of my ass..."
DeleteOver barren might have been a little strong. I mean you do have some insight.
ReplyDeleteOver-bearing you mean?
DeleteYou were home schooled maybe?
Mike, you said, "Ian asks, what am I looking for? I'm looking to rightly divide the word of truth. To understand Gods reasoning towards mankind.... I want to understand why God made man and then allowed the devil to tempt knowing man would sucomb to the temptation. I realize atheist do not believe in Gods of any nature but the fact that they try to disprove the Bible is what challenges me to debate the scriptures. For example the prophesy concerning Jesus being called a Nazarene, just because its not found in the Old Testament does not mean it was never prophesied. There is no doubt of the possibility many writings have been undiscovered. But, that which has been found is substantial enough for one to be persuaded the God is and a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. You say I'm a fool? Not hardly I'm anything but a FOOL. And not as dumb as you think lol."
ReplyDeleteNow, Mike, you don't study the Bible to figure out what to say to people who ask you why you study the Bible.
The bit about 'rightly dividing' is Second Timothy 2:15
Are you actually saying that you study the Bible in order to throw Bible quotes out when you feel like it?
There's no 'why'd God do that', not one that makes any sense.
It doesn't matter that there isn't a Nazarene prophecy then, since there might have been at one time?
So, none of the so-called prophecies of the Jewish Scripture have to be there at all then, only that the Gospel writers are trying to back up there story that their story is prophesied, is all, right?
Of course you can talk your way around anything like this, google-search another Christian's post/sermon, no big thing.
But, "You can't prove there didn't used to be a prophecy!", is caviling.
While one may prove the existence of something, it's impossible to prove that something like a specific prophecy never existed.
Sloppy work by that Gospel writer for sure, very sloppy, and a lot hinges on this (supposedly) lost prophecy.
Now, some might think it rude of me to knock your intelligence, Mike. You know, point out when you mis-spell things, that sort of thing. Some would say that is petty of me.
ReplyDeleteBut they'd be wrong. Because you claim to be a very, very intelligent man, Mike. You claim to be smarter than science is. You dismiss hundreds of years of scientific inquiry and experiment with a knowing smile. You seem to have come to believe that you simply just know better. Evolution? Dismissed! Climate change? Ridiculous!
Yet, you know nothing of science but what you've heard from other science-illiterates!
You are a christian and it has made you into a buffoon, at least that is how you sound to anybody that knows anything REAL about this world. So don't blame me. Blame yourself. You're the one that seems to feel that you already have all the answers, that you know more than even a preponderance of scientists, even though you cannot even spell basic words and phrases. So when I make fun of you for that, it's not my Pride, it's me making fun of YOURS.
The Holy Triangle or the Father, Son, and Mother Mary, are important because they symbolize adulthood, birth, and nourishment/breast feeding. This is according to the Doctrine of Dingleberry, as we all know, which also clearly states that Jesus wept tears of Coca-Cola and made that commercial in the seventies with everybody telling the world to sing. At the Last Dinner, Jesus gave of his own flesh for his apostles to eat by actually cutting off his fingers and making finger sandwiches for them.
ReplyDeleteDoes this sound silly to you, Mike?
This is how you sound to us when you claim to know anything about science. I was just trying to make a point.
Many years ago, I was talking to my grand-mother and she got serious for a moment and said to me. "One day you will be discussing prophecies with someone who believes in prophecy and he will tell you of an explained/fulfilled prophecy but cannot show the original. Not the original writings I mean, just, here, look, this guy said this would happen just so."
ReplyDeleteMe saying to you, "It was said that there'd be 'The Internet' and here it is according to ancient prophecy!"
Can you see how anyone could write anything into a story, something about a grandma having foreseen something or just claiming that some part of another story was true since it had been prophesied, lending that part, a ring of truth that it otherwise wouldn't have.
How much more gravitas has, "Jesus lived in Nazareth because it was prophesied that he'd be a Nazarene!", than, say, "Turned out that Jesus grew up in Nazareth."
In fact if I were telling the story to an audience of children as simply Jesus grew up in Nazareth, I think that'd raise a question or two. "Why?"
"Well, it had been prophesied! That's why, now shut up and let's move on with the story!"
You, Mike carry this simple, powerful question in your heart, like we all do.
Why is it that there is sometimes a rainbow after it rains, Mike?
Is it because of the properties of droplets of water and the light reflecting and refracting at different angles depending on their wave-length?
Or is it that God prophesied that he would occasionally send us a sign to remind us that HE would never flood the World again?
What of other rainbows we see if we have a hose spraying a mist or set a CD at a particular angle?
Is the one explanation science and the other explanation some other 'kind of truth'?
But imagine if the story is true? Was God just joking with unscientific people? Is God STILL, to this day fooling with you guys, just having a laugh?
Or is it possible that rainbows are awesome, just the ticket when we're talking GODLY things and it was just some guy's interpretation of what a rainbow must be then he wrote his story and included that part where God claims HE has a purpose in 'creating' rainbows every now and then?
So you think it's possible that God created rainbows for Godly reasons and us scientific party-poopers are ruining it for God and Godly people then?
Or, is it more like, scientists explained rainbows in a non-Godly manner?
Before God created atheists he should have checked his previous work for errors. It wasn't very smart to be illogical and petty and hypocritical and then create the very people who will see all of that and call it out for what it is.
ReplyDeleteMike, who is Ryan? Ou should listen to Brian, Harvey and Ian. They clearly have more wisdoms than you do. Over barren? It is not indicative of your lack of wisdom because of a typo, but never wondering why that turn of phrase means what you where trying to use it it mean is.
ReplyDeleteOverbarren mean excessively empty. Brian is as empty as a big jug... He claims to have all this knowledge of science and empathy yet he comes across overbarren
DeleteNice save.
Deletehttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/27/john-hagee-atheists_n_4509397.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
ReplyDeletePastor John Hagee says all atheist need to leave the country.
Yes, those christ-stains are so loving and tolerant.
I am empty of silly false beliefs in your particular obsession, I mean religion. Also of all religious beliefs. I strive to be barren of all false beliefs. In fact, I strive to have no beliefs whatsoever, as in, zero. A belief is thinking that you know something to be true with no evidence for it. You are full of such things. You have almost no true thoughts at all. Just things you think are true that aren't. So I'm not insulted by being called barren by you, because coming from you it is high praise indeed.
ReplyDeleteEvery single thought that I have is updateable. As in, if I find new information that contradicts or supplants it, I remove it and replace it with the new thought.
ReplyDeleteThis is something that you are as incapable of doing as you are of flying from flower to flower like a hummingbird.
The square on the hypotenuse of a right angled triangle is equal to the sum of the squares of the two other sides.
ReplyDeleteNot only that, but In calculus, the differential represents the principal part of the change in a function y = f(x) with respect to changes in the independent variable x (of course), and x-d (where d tends to zero) whether GOD exists or no.(look it up Mike, it's true.)
Now you could claim that 'it's true' because GOD, but it is my contention that it must be true regardless(or in 'dipshit', irregardless) of GOD's existence or no and that fact alone sweeps any notion of gods off the table since order must 'exist' regardless of gods or no.
Case in point, is it possible for a god to make one plus one anything else but two?
No?
Then there are rules by which gods, even gods must follow, right? If gods themselves must comply with reality, then reality rules, no?
Sorry buddy, you lose.
Lol Ian the reason their is order is because God set it in motion.
DeleteGod is the one who authored the rule book... Don't you get it? We have already established purpose and reason action and reaction. God dwells in what is known as an eternal spiritual reality... We humans are in a temporal reality, the wages of sin is death... So death is the reaction to sins action! Christ purpose is the remedy for sins reason. Lets face the facts, No God No morals... Their would be no reason or purpose for morals because morals are a standard of right and immoral is a standard of unrighteousness. Only a Righteous law giver would care about right/ wrong.
DeleteMike:
Delete"Only a Righteous law giver would care about right/ wrong."
You are confusing the Old Testament definition of "Righteous" with your more recent Christian definition. Moreover, your contention that without God there is no reason for people to behave "morally" belies the fact that all "moral/ethical" behavior is simply mankind's discovery that if you want to be allowed into or to remain in any social grouping (i.e. family, tribe, nation), you have to subjugate your personal desires to what the rest of the group finds acceptable. If you live alone on a desert island, any behavior is acceptable, since only you are involved in the outcomes. As soon as our behavior may have an effect upon another person, you must take his/her reactions to said behavior into account (Do unto others.....) None of this requires a Deity to tell us how to behave; we only need to understand and/or anticipate how any group we want to be allowed to associate with will react. Whereas the first four Commandments deal with Man's relationship to God, the remaining six are all about our relationships with each other.
I like that rationale, pboy.
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ReplyDeleteMike, did you have a tree this Christmas?
Of course you did. All good Christians do, right?
You guys have no fucking clue what's in your own book that you pretend to worship.
Lol you being petty again Brother Brian. I know full well that Christ birth has absolutey nothing to do with a Christmas tree. In fact the tree is just part of the Christmas festivities as are the lights and songs and well whatever. It's a festive season enjoy!
ReplyDeletePAY ATTENTION! It is FORBIDDEN to have a tree, and that is in the BIBLE.
DeleteYour mind drifts like a dandelion seed.
Did you even read the link? Christ...
DeleteYes, it's PETTY to inform you what your own holy book says, because you like to think you already know, which you don't, and so I tell you, and you ignore it... you're not very bright, I guess. And that, I blame on your religion. It's mind-neutering.
DeleteMike:
ReplyDelete"Only a Righteous law giver would care about right/ wrong."
You are confusing the Old Testament definition of "Righteous" with your more recent Christian definition. Moreover, your contention that without God there is no reason for people to behave "morally" belies the fact that all "moral/ethical" behavior is simply mankind's discovery that if you want to be allowed into or to remain in any social grouping (i.e. family, tribe, nation), you have to subjugate your personal desires to what the rest of the group finds acceptable. If you live alone on a desert island, any behavior is acceptable, since only you are involved in the outcomes. As soon as our behavior may have an effect upon another person, you must take his/her reactions to said behavior into account (Do unto others.....) None of this requires a Deity to tell us how to behave; we only need to understand and/or anticipate how any group we want to be allowed to associate with will react. Whereas the first four Commandments deal with Man's relationship to God, the remaining six are all about our relationships with each other.
No Harvey I don't believe I am. The definition of righteous is one who does right. I think you atheist have it confused a bit! God is the example of righteousness. We find in the scripture where God at sundry times had to poor out His wrath upon both young and old because of their sin and disobedience
DeleteIs God unrighteousness because He holds mankind accountable for there transgressions. NO God is the judge and He rewards people according to their works. Do you see the ball sorta speak is in mans possession.
DeleteThe definition of righteous is one who does right.
Delete-The problem lies in how you define the word "right" Mike. You link it with God. I link it with "Harm None." God does not link it with "Harm None." God does not hesitate to harm others. God is immoral, and so are you because you can't see that he is. Sorry, but it's true. Think about it.
Is God unrighteousness because He holds mankind accountable for there transgressions.
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He makes us what we are and then judges some of us unworthy. Where he could heal, he punishes. He is a god of punishment, and I for one know what the real name of such a god is. Devil. Demon. Demiurge even. Not any kind of a moral god at all, a god of the opposite of morality that has people like you so much in thrall that you're willing to believe evil is good because he tells you to.
Question: Could God heal the souls of sinners after they die instead of condemning them to eternal punishment?
Of course he could. According to YOU he could.
So then, he chooses not to.
Why? To teach us what?
I'll tell you why. (If your god were real hypothetically)
Because that god would be a sadist.
He who creates beings that can feel terror and pain, from nothing, and designs them to be fallible and weak, and then doesn't leave any FUCKING EVIDENCE around for his own existence anywhere to be found, just tells us to believe him with no hard evidence at all, and then judges them unworthy...
then punishes them for it, eternally...
...that god is a fucking devil. That god is evil.
And that evil god, in his infinite evilness, has figured out how to get you his followers to accept evil as good, and then to be PROUD of it!
WOW.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/12/30/republicans-growing-more-skeptical-about-evolution/
ReplyDeleteRepublicans are getting dumber as the rest of the world gets smarter. As usual.
Let's say we could see God's shadow, would you worship His Divine Shadow? At least if there were something tangible there, we could say something like, "May you be touched by His Divine Shadow!", and, "May His Divine Shadow fall upon you!", and, "I worship His Shadow!", that kind of nonsense.
ReplyDeletehttp://mmcelhaney.blogspot.com/2010/12/responding-to-saint-brian-godless.html
ReplyDeleteOkay, who wrote this? Marcus somebody it seems... I am apparently infamous now among the christerati.
I'll have to read this when I get more time.
Wow. Someone is pissed at me.
Cool.
...was pissed at me... it was written in 2010. Nice of them to tell me about it.
DeleteSo apparently christians write "responses" to specific people, i.e. *me,* and then make sure to not let that person know anything about it so they can all bond together over how evil I am.
DeleteYou people... yuck.
Don't feed teh fundees, Brian. That Marcus McElhaney is a fucking idiot, and unworthy of your attention. Ryan used to engage him, but it's really a worthless effort.
Deletei grew to like him, in a stockholm syndrom kind of way. He really is half a retard though.
DeleteNotice how once Mike understood that it really is in the Bible that christmas trees are forbidden, he never got back to me on it again.
ReplyDeleteMike, you still alive, bro?
How is it in your mind, Mike?
ReplyDeleteAm I definitely, positively, absolutely, 100 percent wrong in everything that I say to you?
Or am I almost definitely, 99 percent sure, highly likely to be wrong?
There's a huge difference, and I'd like to know how you feel about it.
Can you ask yourself the Classic Critical Thought Question? The one that separates those who can critically think from those that just believe that they can?
Can you ask yourself if there's any possibility that I may be right and you may be wrong?
Can you be wrong, Mike? Is it even a possibility in your mind?
What if you are?
What then?
I bet you wouldn't want to know. You'd prefer to just remain wrong, and never know it. Better that, than to face the consequences of being so misguided for your entire life.
It would take a very brave man to face that, so I don't hold it against you.
Happy New Year! ;-)
Brian if God had not given me the evidence that He is real then I could doubt. It's like this Brian if I had a dollar in my pocket I wouldn't know it unless I could feel it. The bible says we see thru a glass darkly... That's sorta like not seeing a coin in my pocket but knowits there because I can feel it.
DeleteMike, you cannot measure your god by his actions. If you could do that, then you'd realize that he is not a moral nor a good god at all. He just talks the talk, and holds a gun to your head if you don't like it.
ReplyDeleteHappy New Year, One and All!!
ReplyDeleteYes, Happy New Year everybody!
ReplyDeleteShould old acquaintance be forgot, we'll meet up here...
So Brian according to your logic, You believe God to be the devil and evil because he "God" lets you and many others live out their lives in a world He created and supplied it with everything needed for man to live a ripe old age and waits until after you die to give an account to Him for the hateful words you spoke against including all the sins you commited towards Him... He even provided a way for you and the rest of the world to escape an eternity in hell and all He ask is for you yo repent and believe..... Sounds to me as if you don't understand the difference between good and evil.... People in this life are accountable to society when they break the law, mankind are accountable To God for breaking His law. Too easy!
ReplyDeleteSimplistic and silly. Next!
DeleteWell Brian I didn't want to shame you because you have little insight but what Jeremiah is talking about is the people at that time were cutting down a tree and decking it with silver and gold to worship it that's who he said they had to nail it upright because it can't go on its own. Try again buddy we don't worship trees!
ReplyDeleteThat's why instead if that's who. My bad lol
DeleteYou can't shame me in any way. So don't worry about it next time. You are blissfully unaware of the most important things about your faith, tree regardless. I do know them, not because I'm so smart but because I learned the things about it that you refused to learn. The things that you deny are true and never bother to check whether they were or not.
DeleteBut hey, peace be upon you... lol...
For example?
DeleteHappy New Year everyone and may you all be blessed with a long and prosperous life.
ReplyDeleteYou too, holy man.
ReplyDelete(The holes are in your logic)
Happy New Year. May this be the year in which you are enlightened. Boy, that'd smart.
Mike, I just added a pic in at the right of my blog here.
ReplyDelete"The Argument That Swayed Me As A Child"
Pretty basic argument, no? How do you refute it? I'm curious.
Here's the argument:
"An All-Knowing God knows the evidence I need to be convinced of his existence"
"An All-Powerful God is able to provide that evidence"
"An All-Loving God would want to"
Pretty hard to get by it, no?
Brian, God answered you but He cannot help you if you reject the answer.
ReplyDeleteYea, yea, Mike, I feel as if I'm punching at ghosts, or more, like you'd have be punching at ghosts if I were to take your word that they were there!
ReplyDeleteI don't.
I love that bullshit argument where you pretend to have me draped around reality and pound me from a God perspective. I't's wonderfully imaginative, yet absolutely useless, and you cannot see it..
ReplyDeleteShit-fer-brains.
I feel like I've wandered into an insane asylum, and you're all telling me that it's wonderfully imaginative to imagine it's all real. Yes, yes if I persist long enough to get to the front door, and can convince you long enough, they'll let me out, but there's worse, there's the real nuts who have almost completely left the realm of reality all together!
I'm not sure if that's you, Mike. LOL I think it is though.
Sorry while I back up slowly.
Here's the argument:
ReplyDelete"An All-Knowing God knows the evidence I need to be convinced of his existence"
"An All-Powerful God is able to provide that evidence"
"An All-Loving God would want to"
Unfortunately, not a good argument B. The fabricators of the all knowing god have produced the bible and the concept of self-authenticating revealed truth through the holy spirit. These are sufficient to accomplish your three goals in the target population.
" the fabricators" that's funny piny! What is the motive behind fabricating a God. I mean look at the rules demanded by the so called fabricators. Love God with all ones mind body soul, love neighbor as thyself, clothe ones self with humility, the distinction between right and wrong such as adultrey for instance. If adultrey is a fabricated law to please a fabricated God then what would be the point seeing most people disregard it anyway . It would only matter to a God a real God piny.
DeleteMike:
DeleteWe have repeatedly pointed out that Mankind seems to "need" a Deity (which being we have created/fabricated in every culture we know of) to provide us with some sense of control over this harsh and often cruel existence in which we find ourselves. Even if there is no such being, psychologically we find some comfort in the belief that if we pray/sacrifice/otherwise modify our behavior, we will somehow be able to get a reward or relief of suffering, if not in this life, then perhaps in our imagined afterlife. "The fabricators" are simply those who over millennia have created documents that try to codify or explain this need for a Deity in some organized fashion. These observations do not apply only to Christian Scripture, but to every other of the myriad "scriptures" that exist and have existed.
Apparently that blog post you pointed at was removed Brian.
ReplyDeleteMike, you're not 'getting it'. For God to do anything at all, supposing there was one for a moment, these rules have to exist beforehand.
It's the chicken and the egg thing really.
There absolutely have to be eggs before there can be chickens, the eggs, in this case being the rules and the chicken being God.
There were egg-laying animals long before chickens existed and some of them were actually the ancestors of chickens.
I know, you don't get it.
DUDE, can I tell you a funny story? You too Mike.
DeleteOkay, when I was about ten years old, my father's brother, Uncle Jerry, came over the house with his wife.
My parents liked to show me off because I could put two words together, so Uncle Jerry asked me a question. Kind of a pop quiz. (Of course, this was his way of "bursting my balloon" or whatever.)
"What came first, the chicken or the egg?
I answered without a second's pause "Neither one. Chickens evolved from a long line of egg-laying animals."
Not bad for a kid, huh?
I mean, if you ask, 'when's the first egg?' then one can hypothecate a time long, long ago where some single-celled organism first produced something that resembled a viable spore, but that's it. You have to go that far back, hundreds of millions of years, perhaps billions, to find the very first ancestor of a chicken that produced something like an egg, and it would be a one-celled organism.
Incidentally, Uncle Jerry just kinda grunted and changed the subject.
DeleteYes Ian I do get it, what you don't get is God is the rule"egg".
DeleteHey Brian; Ryan Anderson here. How are things?
ReplyDeleteMike is informative,but you should read the comments at voxday.blogspot.com for a year to really get into the head of the crazies in the aggregate. Good stuff... in a way...
Anyway, hope you and the family are doing well. Harvey, Ian, Mac, rock on. And in case Mokele and Botts are lurking, rock on as well.
That xkcd made me nostalgic.
Hi Ryan! Good to *see* you!
DeletePliny the Most Awesome of all time; rock on.
ReplyDeleteWhat happened to your 'flying cat' profile?
ReplyDeleteSadly Pretty Boy Floyd suffered the same fate as 90% of pet birds, he got out of the house and flew off. That was like 6 or 7 months ago now...
Everything mankind had ever known is associated with a beginning and a end. That is the reason one cannot comprehend the existence of God without a beginning. God at least the one I know had no beginning nor end He is from everlasting to everlasting .
ReplyDeleteMike:
ReplyDeleteWe have repeatedly pointed out that Mankind seems to "need" a Deity (which being we have created/fabricated in every culture we know of) to provide us with some sense of control over this harsh and often cruel existence in which we find ourselves. Even if there is no such being, psychologically we find some comfort in the belief that if we pray/sacrifice/otherwise modify our behavior, we will somehow be able to get a reward or relief of suffering, if not in this life, then perhaps in our imagined afterlife. "The fabricators" are simply those who over millennia have created documents that try to codify or explain this need for a Deity in some organized fashion. These observations do not apply only to Christian Scripture, but to every other of the myriad "scriptures" that exist and have existed.
No doubt Harvey most men do recognize there need for God, but to insinuate man fabricated a God to somehow ease his conscience is absurd. Not only would it be a waste of time and effort it would be cruel and inhumane.
ReplyDeleteOh god.
DeleteMike:
ReplyDeleteActually, your last reply makes no sense. I never implied that we actually "need" any Deity; rather, I am pointing out that we seem to need the IDEA of a God, whose help and intervention we can beg/pray/sacrifice/etc. for in the face of the often cruel realities of our lives. Therefore, every culture we know of has "fabricated (your choice of words, not mine)" one or several. This is the response of human intellect to the realization that we have little or no real control over the dangers and pitfalls of live in the real world, so we "create" an invisible friend to help us as we go whistling past the graveyards of life. The only cruelty that I can see resulting from this is the eventual realization that our prayers or personal behavior modifications are actually to no avail, since our constructed "friend" isn't actually there, after all.
BTW, Mike, I never mentioned "conscience". We modify our naturally selfish behaviors in order to be allowed into or to be retained as members of various social groups, which self denial has real survival value. "Conscience" is our realization that a particular contemplated or actual selfish behavior may produce negative social results.
ReplyDeleteI think he might have meant 'consciousness' actually... not sure tho.
DeleteHoney badger, meet rock. Honey badger kicks the shit out of rock, and yet strangely rock doesn't seem to notice...
ReplyDelete"Tilting at windmills" comes to mind,
ReplyDeleteIt's gnarly trying to help you understand Harvey and Brian. We are dealing with matters of the heart, such as fear, doubt weakness, that is why I used the word "conscience ". Then you slow boys start your snide remarks . Too funny !
ReplyDeleteIt's funny because you're simple. Sorry, but you keep saying silly, simple-minded things and expect it to convince us of something. You forget who the believer is here.
ReplyDeleteSo, Mike, "In the beginning, God created the the heavens and the earth.."
ReplyDeleteAt the time, 'the beginning', where was God? Where is God now? If God is in heaven now, where was he before he created the heavens?
God said, "Let there be light!"
Who was God talking to? Where were they before God created the heavens?
Do any of these simple questions even make sense or need to 'somehow' make sense?
Can you explain?
Read your Bible its all self explanatory
DeleteThe first part about the psychotic God the Father who is really Satan in disguise or the second part where his hippy socialist nice guy son takes over?
DeleteIs it "I AM THE LORD THY GOD AND I WILL FUCK YOU UP!" or "let's drink more wine, I made extra"???
Mike said,
ReplyDelete"We are dealing with matters of the heart (my emphasis), such as fear, doubt weakness, that is why I used the word "conscience."
All of those things are mind functions. The "heart", as a 'feeling' apparatus, does not exist.
I guess for a moment I forgot who I was talking to. Christians believe mankind has a soul and often the soul is refered to as the concisene or heart. Not the one that pumps blood, we know it is nothing more than a organ.
Delete"Conscience" is also a mind function. No soul, no afterlife, no need for 'salvation' because there's nothing to save.
Delete..and nowhere to go, even IF...
DeleteWell tell me Ed, why do you tell someone you love them with all your heart? Lol because you feel love within not from your mind. All the mind does is express the love one feels. Lol Christian score 2 Atheist 0
DeleteLove exists whether or not God does, because WE exist, and WE love; No God required.
DeleteTry again, Zippy.
...in other words, until you can draw a logical connection between "God" and "Love" (hint: you can't do this without first proving God even exists, which you can't do either) you don't get to assert "God is love" and expect to go unchallenged on this non sequitur.
DeleteYes, love does exist in all people because it was hardwired into man by his creator. God is love and man was created in the express image of God.
DeleteI don't have to prove God exist. You either believe or not. At the last day all of humanity will stand before Him snd confess Jesus Is Lord to the glory of God.
DeleteSays you. You believe in fairy tales, and they don't have authority over me.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zMf_8hkCdc
ReplyDeleteSo, if I'm understanding right, God doesn't exist. Why do they keep insisting He does?
Also, God, is, apparently, a really weaksauce version of 'The Force'.
"Luke(says the voice in Luke's head), use the Nexus of Contingency! Amen!"
Mike, there are things and processes as we normally understand it, right?
ReplyDeleteIn fact everything is processes.
Take yourself, for example, no doubt you're a living being(thing), but you have to eat, you have to drink and you must breathe, or that illusion of continuance is going to disappear fairly quickly.
Now you breathe in order to oxygenate your flowing blood, which then delivers it to the cells in your body, another process.
It's very simple and straightforward, without the continuous replacement of oxygen, your cells will stop being cells and turn to mush, even your brain cells, which allow you to have a streaming consciousness, another process, which you call your MIND.
It's not a 'thing' it's a process at the end of a long chain of processes, you can see that, right?
Lol Christians may FEEL that they score 2 to 0, but you've made a mistake thinking your 'mind' is a thing and that love is a thing.
Your streaming consciousness is a multiplicity of processes making up your personality according to, and exactly according to all the stuff that happened to you since you were born.
Another giant set of processes, growing up, learning language and social skills and whatnot.
Example:- Hypothetically, you and I are devoted Christians and great pals since forever, you feel you love me(in a manly, manly way, a Christian way perhaps), and then you find out that I've done terrible things to your children, your grandma, in fact I've done horrible things to everyone else you love, in different ways(love of grandma being not quite the same as love of your son or daughter or wife).
Suddenly, you'd stop 'loving' me and you'd want to exact a terrible revenge on me, you'd want me put in prison, given a fair trial then killed, isn't that right?
So where'd that love for me go, if it was a 'thing' which you just 'expressed' with your mind?
It wasn't a 'thing' to begin with, it was a process of your streaming consciousness, isn't that right?
So, lol Christian that you are, you're zero for two, atheists or no atheists, y'see?
If the love I had for you were real, "a Godly" love, and you done terrible things to my family then I would want justice. But the love would still be there. You think people stop loving one another because of one actions ? Come on pboy
DeleteI asked you a few questions and you answered, "Read your Bible its all self explanatory."
DeleteWere you wearing school-girl panties when you made that reply because it is only worthy of a school-girl.
I'm not asking you 'what the Bible says", I'm asking you what you think what the Bible says means in the cases I offered.
I'm sorry if you are too ignorant to understand, you really ought to get out more.
"Fuck", Mike, why bother commenting anything at all? Really everything you have to say is, "Read your Bible its all self explanatory."
What do you comment at all for? Anything we talk about turns out to be evasion just as above.
I'm not ever going to know what you think about my question to you by 'reading my Bible' now, you must know that, you cannot possibly be that stupid.
What I'm saying here is that it's not Christians versus atheists or Christians versus non-Christians in general, it's Christians versus reality. There is only one reality, it's not a matter of opinion, ever.
ReplyDeleteI doubt any of us are living without any misunderstandings about reality, I'm not sure we even CAN understand reality completely, but I do know that if you imagine your mind and love and such are 'things' controlled by some supernatural intelligence, you're just as mistaken as some tribesman who imagines that the weather is a thing which can be pleaded with since it is controlled by supernatural agency.
You see?
No, no you don't, do you?
Interesting conversation.
ReplyDeleteHey, last night I was on Twitter, a new hobby of mine... anyhow I found myself in an argument with a nice, off-the-wall guy, seemed christian but not being clear about it, and it went back and forth for like twenty tweets or more... and it was Norm Macdonald. THE Norm Macdonald.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005172/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Macdonald
I used to like him on SNL all those years ago. Very droll wit. And I'm pretty sure that I managed to piss him off a bit, although he was pretty cool about it.
This modern technology is fucking strange. I had a chat with Norm Macdonald. Weird. I never could have imagined that ever happening. Funny, huh?
Norm Macdonald @normmacdonald 10h
Delete@AWorldOutOfMind @JellyIntoAJam @luciferbruise @3rdTriumvirate Oh no, you were not offensive at all. You were very funny, enjoyed the chat.
So I didn't offend him. Good.
Twitter is fucking strange to me.
"If the love I had for you were real, "a Godly" love, and you done terrible things to my family then I would want justice. But the love would still be there. You think people stop loving one another because of one actions ?"
ReplyDeleteWhy is it that some Christians get married 'til death do them part, then get divorced if it's not their actions?
(I KNOW, read my Bible, right? LOL)
A man and a woman will be 'united under God', loving each other with all their hearts, as you say(otherwise why bother), then a few years later they cannot live together, that love is gone.
How do you account for this kind of thing if it's not their actions?
Mike's fortunate that we're atheists and not Muslims. If we were Muslims, we'd have sawed his head off and sent the videotape to his family years ago.
ReplyDeleteAnd that's the REAL problem: that religious people can get so tweaked that other people don't believe the same fairy tales they do that they're willing to kill each other over such stupidity.
Really you think a Muslem would be able to cut my head off? That's funny and it would be fun for one to try.
DeleteOkay, I'm trying not to offend you Mike, but I have to say something. I took martial arts most of my young life, TKD, aikido, shotokan, isshin-ryu, kyokyushinkai... one thing I always hated more than anything else. I even left schools for it.
DeleteWhen an instructor, or the students, were hypermacho pricks.
So stop acting like a child. Stop being so insecure in your manhood that you are COMPELLED to brag about yourself whenever any talk of physical assault comes up. Please at least grow up about that ONE THING, okay? Because it's against the whole heart of martial arts. You're the kind of student that the good instructors make an example of in front of the class by knocking them on their ass.
Carry on...
Lol not trying to brag Brian but I did take second place in our October W T F TKD Mid Western championship tournament. I've been knocked down before and I stand back up. I love to fight.
DeleteI think Mike's got us there. Mike is a 'Murican. No muslim is ever going to cut of his head, he'd laugh at them and tell them he has rights! Then there's the FACT that he has GOD on his side, and what do they have, Allah! Pfft.
ReplyDeleteMurican, that's a good one Ian! Got anymore ?
DeleteIt's funny, right? How he reacted.
ReplyDeleteNEWSFLASH! Some Muslim radicals have black belts too! Oh, and the rest have fucking guns.
But he's 'Murican, I forgot...
Mike, you never hear me when I call you Proud, as in seven deadly sins Pride, and yet here you are, crowing like Peter Pan.
ReplyDeleteWe are all proud to a certain degree Brian wouldn't you agree?
DeleteI'll tell you what I think, Mike. I think I could sneak up behind you and hit you with a baseball bat and all your years of martial arts practice will suddenly mean squat, because even Bruce Lee didn't have spidey-senses.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you could... Or not. Who cares?
DeleteWatch "Code of Silence". Even Chuck Norris got beat down in that one.
DeleteBrian, sorta sounds like you're a jack of all arts and master of none. He he he. You have to admit that's funny... Lol
ReplyDeleteS'ok Mike, it's what I expect from you. Impervious to reality.
ReplyDeleteContrary to your opinion Brian I'm very much aware of reality. The fact that I believe in God shows evidence of my ability to see thru the fog.
DeleteYour god is the fog, silly. How else do you THINK deceived people, people under a delusion, think? Just like you do. They're SURE. In fact, the fact that they're so very sure is one of the symptoms. They accept no argument, therefore they're not interested in truth, its just a belief they think it true but a divine one so hey, no need to ever check it. Sad.
DeleteSo, Mike, have you heard of social-Darwinism?
ReplyDeleteThe idea is that you're born into 'whatever' circumstances, maybe rich, maybe poor, but if you're 'bright' enough, you'll become rich, or get richer, whereas if you're dumb, you'll just stay poor or be poorer.
The theory works on the principle that the 'best' will rise to the top, and fuck the rest.
Is this something that you feel you agree with?
(please don't say, "Read your Bible, it explains everything!" If you do, my opinion of you will drop just one more notch, and I don't think there are many 'notches' left.)
I believe in working hard to get ahead. It's true any person with a good education had a better chance of getting ahead without screwing over the underachiever.
ReplyDeleteSo, you're dodging my question.
ReplyDeleteHow is it true that 'a person ''had" a better chance of getting ahead WITHOUT screwing over the underachiever???
At this point you're parsing words, playing a mental game with yourself.
"Well, this guy who was born with jewels up his ass has(or had?) a sleight(?) advantage over your average poverty stricken baby!
What?
So what, what you 'believe'? The facts are that your countrymen/women/kids are in danger of slipping into a 'third World' level of living, and you're going to be 'right there' just to show how 'Christians' REALLY feel about poverty, real hurt for real families! And it's your OWN country-men TOO!
This is not some 2 min. AD. about some kid in Africa, this is about your fellow citizens, you seem to be willing to throw them under the bus!
No, only a faceless, heartless corporation could do that, right? Is your religion a faceless, heartless corporation?
By their fruit you shall know them.
Look Ian your liberal democratic government put hour fellow countrymen in the position they are in. Clinton signed the nafta bill that sent American jobs to foreign soil. It doesn't matter if the concept started with Bush, the guy that signed it into law is responsible for the hardships of this country. You ramble about crap all the time I think to impress yourself. Yes you are book smart but that don't mean nothing if you have no common sense. Wake up Ian.
ReplyDeleteClinton signed the NAFTA bill because he had no choice. It was ratified under Bush I, and could not be reneged on by Clinton.
DeleteSome additional info: NAFTA isn't a law it's an international treaty. Congressional voting was essentially bipartisan. See this.
Delete:Common sense is a concept that people who were right some of the time made up so as to pretend that they were right as much as smart people are. Nope. Smart is smart, period. And it's not fucking common at all.
ReplyDelete'MY' liberal democratic government didn't do anything, since I'm in Canada, and also I'm a Scot.
ReplyDeleteYour government is so fucked up they think that what they say must be right because they are saying it.
BUT, you're still fucking over your OWN people, your OWN citizens.
Good stay in Canada
DeleteChristians are so nice.
DeleteChristians also always immediately attack anyone that tells them the truth about themselves.
DeleteSick religion does shit to you.
"Look Ian your liberal democratic government put hour fellow countrymen in the position they are in."
ReplyDeleteThis isn't true. The banks decided it was okay to gamble with everyone's money because they knew that the govt. would have to back them up. The only difference between 'The Decider' and Obama is that the media was saying next to nothing when Bush was prez then they pointed and screamed like pod-people when Obama became prez because, "..we want to make sure that Obama is a one term President!"
So much for the idea of a 'left-wing media', 'freedom of the press', and so on.
And your kind of Christianity encourages this disingenuous behavior, this 'ends justifies the means' sad, sick behavior.
Only a fool, in his heart, sayeth, "There must be some invisible, disconnected-from-reality-itself, timeless(in the sense that it's outside time and in the other sense too!), intelligent, did-I-mention-disembodied? person behind 'all this'."
ReplyDeleteYou'd have to believe that everything is subjective, we cannot prove that the stuff we see around us isn't imaginary, yet still claim that morality can be objective.
Can't you see how frickin' nuts that is? Mike's answer would be, "Yea? Most of us are nuts? That makes no sense to me as me and mine are stashing enough nuclear weapons to eliminate the entire human race. Why? Because even at the cost of eliminating the entire human race, the 'good guys' must win!
If you look at a rag and it brings tears to your eyes because it has stars and stripes on it, you're fuckin' insane.
http://www.earthporm.com/man-tries-hug-wild-lion-wont-believe-happens-next/
ReplyDeleteGo to Africa Mike. Hug a lion, cats are friendly, you'll see. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWXMtjUZWM
ReplyDelete.. fucked if I know.
My family had little intelligence but a lot of common sense. That's why I had to put my own toys together when I was six. Dad had trouble with simple directions. But he went to church.
ReplyDeleteSanta is Jesus Light for the kids, but at least they eventually do tell their child that Santa isn't real.
ReplyDeleteSome kids make the connection on their own, the rest stay in church, and grow up to be Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEVihkxmzCQ
ReplyDeleteOh christ.
DeleteIt makes my brain hurt to listen to this guy's drivel and watch grown men believing it. I'm thinking, "WTF, WTF, WTF?", and the camera pans around to reveal an entire conference hall of them! ARGH!!!
ReplyDeleteSomebody once said, "If there were no God, we'd have to invent one.", which to me, kind of gives the game away to anyone but some no-brains who actually believes that working harder for a boss is somehow going to make YOU more money and not just make the boss more money.
ReplyDeleteSomeone who can actually believe that cutting poor people loose from such luxuries as food and a place to sleep will somehow encourage them to become rich, maybe.
Someone who imagines Justin Bieber clone Miley Cyrus is 'beautiful'? Maybe that's what the sexy dancing thing is, just making sure everyone realizes that she is a she and not a boy! LOL
Miley'd be cute with very different look. She tries too hard for us to like her, but that's what makes her fans like her. Not stupid.
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